Who is a sibling? Does anyone know where, when and how the game draws a line between who counts as a brother/sister, and who doesn't? So far I know that sims that go all the way from infant to teen under the same roof count each other as siblings, even if they wasn't present at each other's births and even if they have different parents. At least if the different kids parents share a relationship with each other. I also know that teens turning adult under the same roof does NOT count each other as siblings from this factor alone. This kinda narrows it down. Does anyone know exactly where the line between sibling and non-sibling is drawn?
I know one thing, maybe this doesn't help you much but.. I find this just a little bit annoying: I have three brothers (with the same parents), Garrett, Dani and Sebastian. Garrett and Dani both have their own homes and are married. They also have children. Garrett's daughter Felicia, and Dani's son Theodor. Theodor and Felicia do count as family, as they obviously are cousins. They can't flirt with each other or anything like that. Now, I'm very eager too see if their children will be able to flirt with each other. And according too the Swedish law, cousins are allowed to marry, have children and so on. I don't know how it is "over there" in the US though. I don't see anything wrong with cousins having those kind of realtionships with each other, but I guess some do, and I respect that. I'm just afraid that if the simmies are in the same familytree, no matter how far related they are, they will never be able to have relationships. Because if you play in the same neighbourhood (gaaah, that's a hard word to spell!) long enough, everyone will be related through family. And if you still want too play with this neighbourhood, will the only choice be to kill some sims off??
Because it's a open international forum. Speaking swedish here would be rude. Do you have a account at Helgon.net? I'm Xenu there as well. I tried to register at porrigt.se, but it wouldn't let me.
By apologies to everyone else, please disregard. It's not about The Sims, anyway. Hmm, nu erbjuder de mig att vara med fr 30 kronor. r det vrt det? Bra community? Hur funkar den? Hur mycket folk, ungefr?
Ja, jag r med p Helgon, heter MiffoInFlames dr (moget namn, jag vet). VA, kostar det pengar att g med p porrigt?! det mste vara ngon ny grej.. jag ska kika lite, skickar ett pm sen. Sorry for not speaking english, this was the last post in swedish everyone.
so since you are allowed to marry your cousins, are there many disfigured children? this is not to be mean, i am just curious because we have always been told if you are related in any way that the percentage for birth defects skyrockets.
one thing that would bug me about inner-family marriages is there is no chance for the family to branch out so to speak. while i have nothing against the idea of inner-family marriages, ive been accustomed to marriages outside the family so im not exactly comfortable with the idea of inner-family marriages. and i dont know how the law is with the idea the US, although id be very interested to find out.
the law in us is it has to be farther than your fourth cousin to even think about getting married. unless you are from kentucky or west virginia. lol jk
To further push this... If Jon and Margaret have a daughter Kelly, then adopt a son Michael... can a relationship develop between their children? THey are ethically family but genetically unrelated. Perhaps I should try this myself
I don't think they can. Adoption derails the family tree and parentage indicators, setting them so that the child recognizes the adoptive family as parents, and therefore, the biological children of the family as siblings. An interesting caveat of this is that Luke and Leia can, in fact, get married in TS2. And have, presumably, inbred, deformed children. I believe you can thus use this to breed aliens: If an alien child is taken away, and subsequently adopted, he recognizes his new family, and forgets about his father, which, for all first-gen alien children, is the "Pollination Technician". You can then breed them with other alien children. One useful quirk of this is that you can thus use the Strangetown Curious Brothers to produce alien children, since they always get abducted, and then have them taken by the social worker, adopted by a family you created, and then packaged and moved without having a disjuncted family tree that would normally occur if you package and move a family that has living members seperated across different lots without moving them all in together on the same lot first (impossible if >8 people).
Ha ha. Good question about the adopted child situation. For what it is worth to our American friends I think that marriage between first cousins is legal in most places. I am fairly sure that it is not specifically banned in the bible. The biological dangers of consanguinity only tend to become apparent if repeated unions of bloodlines occur down through the generations. This only tends to occur in small, isolated communities such as frontier -- colonial -- settlements and ... er Sims neighborhoods. I guess this why we have NPC's .... (The real dangers of marriage between first cousins are usually vastly overestimated anyway. By definition half of the available gene pool comes from outside of the "family" which is not a lot different to any other genetic union. Statistical analysis shows that the risks are pretty close to the norm; higher, sure, but notmuch and definitely not dangerously, so. All the same I wouldn't want to have married any of mine! )
I didn't realise that the adoption service 'recycled' children within the neighbourhood... THen again I've never had a child taken nor adopted a child, so I suppose that's to be expected. That Luke / Leia reference is quite interesting though, but it does remove the 'lazy' aspect of inbreeding, where you can't be bothered meeting new sims and just abuse your already high relationship rating with your siblings!
Yeah, the Sims neighborhoods are definitely a rather small, isolated community. My popularity sim craving 30 friends can't *GET* that many cuz I don't currently have that many people living in the entire neighborhood! Yeah, and Sims don't appear to have any dangerous recessive traits lurking. Consanguinity isn't even a problem with a species that lacks harmful recessive traits, like, say, Sims. There aren't any mentally retarded sims, nor can a sim be hideously deformed unless you MAKE him that way, and in such a case, his offspring will more likely than not be deformed.
Yes, I know. But in the same time, *we* over here have been told that all the people in southern U.S, are great fans of inbreeding.Those kind of things are probably not true (thank God) though. I don't think the percentage for birthdefects exactly "skyrockets", but I think, the risk increases for every "repeated union of bloodlines" down the generations. It is scientifically stated though that a race or a specie needs constant development and stimulation from different genepools, and that's how a specie becomes stronger and more superior. No, just because marrying your cousin is legal, it doesn't mean people are actually doing it. 98 % of the couples going to church and get married here in Sweden are *not* related, and we don't have many disfigured children
Dunno if it's true, but I read saomewhere that the risk is tenfolded in each iteration. That is, something like this: Unrelated people have children: 1 in 100.000 get serious defects. Their children have children with each other: 1 in 10.000 get serious defects. Their children have children with each other: 1 in 1000 get serious defects. Their children have children with each other: 1 in 100 get serious defects. And so on. This is not including how common features gets overempathised. I know that there are exact figures to obtain, I just havn't been searching for them. There's bound to be a LOT of research on this subject, since most breeding of new races of dogs and other domestic animals are done by inbreeding. They take a ***** with the right features and have her breed with the best of her pups, then repeat the process with the best pup from THAT generation and so on. Lots of sickly mutated little dogs are discarded, and the few healthy specimens quickly evolves into a new kind of dog.
LOL! The correct term for "female dog" is blanked out as a naughty word. As all the merchants in Ultima Online used to say: "How may I ***ist thee?"
Actually it's your 2nd Cousin. ROTF!!! And why is it Poor West Virginia always singled out for us dumb hillbillies marrying our cousin? I'm from WV and that only happened twice in my family tree!:lick:
I can explain the historical reason why that stereotype exists. When the Southern Apalachians were 1st settled (Those states are, and I'm sure I'll leave one out: Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas,Tennesee, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Gerogia), those areas were mainly populated by small farms that were flung with great distances, and communities were many miles apart. In other words, if you were driving through them today, you'd go miles and see only forest, then maybe a little house, and then go more miles and see maybe a couple more houses, and then another 20 miles and see a little town with a church and a general store, and so on. Actually, this type of setlement was typical of the entire US, the apalachians were diffrent because the mountians made it more isolated. So, from time to time families did marry cousins, because they did not have the opportunity to mingle with other families enough to forge a relationship. There was also the phenomenom of "Double-First Cousins", where two brothers would marry two sisters from a diffrent family, and their offspring would be 1st cousins on both maternal and paternal sides. Of course that was in the 1700 and 1800's, and now that sort of thing does not happen and is now just a running joke. When someone does something ditzy or stupid in Apalachia, it's common for someone to crack the joke, "Your parents were related, weren't they? Your family tree doesn't fork? Were your Daddy and your Uncle one person?" Etc. Okay, sorry, just a little bit of Hillbilly History for those of our International Friends. We now return you to your regular Sims Programing.
That was a very succinct explanation kristalrose. I was born and raised in the Appalachian mountains of Tennessee and I know no one married to a relative! lol The small city I moved to when I married is the medical corridor for the mountain region. Almost everyone is extremely well educated and well traveled. It's an old and tired label. It's one of those jokes that can be told only within the region or it's offensive. It's an area rich with wonderful storytellers, musicians, artists, and writers. Like any place on earth it has it's share of poor and uneducated individuals.
