Family is extended one generation by marrige A while back I mentioned that Artemis and Albert didn't get any flirt options in spite not of being genetically related. Neither I nor anyone else managed to find out how it worked at that time. Now I know. There are two ways two sims can count as family without being married. 1. If you are genetically related, you count as family. For now it seem to go on forever and include ALL and ANY genetical relatives no matter how distant. But I havn't created enough generations to be really sure yet. 2. You count as family of any sim that is married to a close relative of you, or who is a close relative to someone you are married to. This extends one generation, but not more. However, it do extend over multiple marriges. Molli count Diane as family, because Molli is married to Sheena's daughter, and Sheena is married to Diane. However, Bittan (granddaughter of Sheena) and Belana (daughter of Diane) does NOT count each other as family. On the contrary, they shared their first kiss with each other.
Testing that right now. I just played 6 hours in a row, creating a new sim that will be able to verify this theory. In the beginning, there was Adam and Steve. But then YAHVOP spoke, saying: "Adam, give me some grandchildren." So Adam dutifully shared bed with Sheena for a while, had some kids with her, and then to his big supprise actually fell in love with her and was entierly heartbroken when she moved back to her wife Diane. Then he found Lilith, and lived happily ever after. Thus ends the story of Adam. This was in the beginning of my neighbourhood. Maybe it started on the seventh day or something like that. Before I first visited this board, anyway. Anyway. Adam's children, Yahvop's grandchildren, now have children of their own. And today, Yahvop happened to be unfaithful to his wife Maria. I took this new relationship from 0/0 to woohoo to pregnancy to birth to toddlerhood to childhood. I guess little Pablo is ready to meet his dads grandchildren and grandgrand children and see if he's given any "family kiss" chat option. But I have quitted the game for the night. I'll get back to you tomorrow. Something like... all above? Anyway, lets say your greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreat grandmother died at the age of 25 and was recently ressurected. A young beautiful woman who you have never met before, don't have any close social ties to, and arn't closely genetically related to. Yes, NOT closely genetically related. 1/256 of your genes comes from her. Not much at all. Would it be creepy if you had sex with her? Definitly not! Ehr. Strange. I'll do more testing. Sigh, the good old "how may I ***ist thee?" of the Ultima Online merchants. What word got c e n s o r e d this time? Anyway, I don't do adoptions. Sheena have three children with Adam. Diane have one child with Dirk and two children with James. Diane, Sheena, Miranda, Molli and two children are the current family. Sheena's grandchildren Her son Albert f u c k e d around a lot, and have five children total with three different women. All five live in other families. Her daughter Miranda have one son with Dirk's son Egon. This child is one of the two that lives with the four women. (Sheena's third child, Andromeda, ironically her firstborn, lives with her father Adam and have not yet reached teenhood.) Diane's grandchildren Her oldest daughter Artemis have a son with her husband. (Yep, Artemis actually turned out heterosexual. And monogamous. Who could have guessed?) This is all, so far. Her son Atreiu is about to hook up with the right woman, and also spend a LOT of time using the telescope at night. Time will tell. Her youngest daughter Belana will remain a teenager for the forseeable future. She have a lot of partying and fooling around ahead of her.
So I believe the word we're looking for b a s t a r d. This is going to greatly complicate your family tree, since children produced in such a manner have potential ties to at least 6 pairs of ancestors, if not more. That means you get a lot of people who could potentially be related to them through their half-siblings, which, if you want to make this truly ugly, may not share the same half. Your family tree will thus be a very horribly tangled mess which will likely confuse both the game's "family" detector, and you. Adoptions are even more messy, since an adoption attaches a child to only a single parent, the one who called for the adoption, and does not completely sever ties to the original parent, only one of them. It's a humongously tangled mess. To make matters worse, there appears to be some very wonky behavior regarding family ties to begin with: You see, whether or not a sim is considered "family" is not, technically speaking, directly tied to ANY of their relationships with their family members at all: What ACTUALLY causes a person to be "family" is a bit, which for lack of a better name, is set on the relationship structure that indicates that the little "family" icon appears over the guy's page, and you get a "happy to have this sim in my family" description, instead of the aquaintance/friend/best friend/enemy/lovers/etc. To make matters more complicated, this bit is set on marriage as well, but the "married" and "love" states override the normal prohibition on family romantic interactions, since, obviously, it's going to be very difficult to reproduce when the husband and wife can only family kiss and not woohoo. Of course, playing around with various Sim editors can thus toggle this bit on and off, and you can create some nasty incest situations this way. What's more, it isn't even automatically set by the code on detection: The Curious Brothers, for instance, do not recognize any of their half-siblings via their father and PT9 as family, and can thus get hooked up with them without any external editing. Eew. Of course, you're probably REALLY stretching the boundaries of the family tie detection machine, as you have some very weird families: Most of my families are fairly conventional: A husband, wife, their biological children, and a few *******s on the side where romance sims have left their mark. I don't quite have the complicated mishmash of homosexual relationships and half-siblings everywhere that you have, mostly because none of my Sims appear to have exhibited any such tendencies yet. Mine all seem to come out straight. Except Circe Beaker, who I have suspicions about, which seem to be corroborated by poking around with the editors, where it does, in fact, appear to be the case that Sims have a sexual preference built into them, which shifts based on their interactions, but since their interactions tend to begin along the lines of their built-ins, these only reinforce their existing tendencies. Okay, point. It's still slightly disturbing, but hey. Great-grandparents, though, that's very different: You still have 1/8th of them, but Maxis has not seen fit to do anything about this. They're at least as genetically close as a cousin, if not more.
Interfamily extramaritals I know a Sim can start an affair with the spouse of a close relation. In one family (the Millers), that lives in the same house, the head of the house, Cleet, has a popularity-based wife who is having an extramarital with Bob, Cleet's romantically-minded half-brother. The betrayal has turned Bob's full sister Chandra against Cleet's wife and the common arguments between Chandra and Mrs. Miller has caused Cleet to hate Chanrda. But Cleet still loves his wife and is best friends with Bob. I love it, it is a total soap opera. The danger of breeding with a progenitor has less to do with the fraction of your genes come from them but the persistance of recessives in a blood line. Here's an example: Clyde's progenitors, on his fathers side, have common recurring recessives for the following ailments: Down's syndrome, scoliosis, stigmatism, MS, and various heart problems. Clyde's progenitors, on his mother's side, have the common recurring recessives: Down's syndrome, near-sightedness, MS, muscular dystrophy, and cardio mypathy (a debilitating and eventually fatal heart problem). Because recessives are hard to breeed out of a bloodline they can exist for many generations undetected, until you breed with someone with a matching recessive gene. So every time Clyde knocks uglies with his mysteriously young progenitor he risks matching up to recessives she passed him. In the above example and offspring has a good chance of having Down's, heart problems (especially cardio myopathy), MS, or any combination of the three. It will actually be against the odds to have a normal child.
Now verified. Pablo (son of Yahvop) gets the "family kiss" chat option for Albert (grandson of Yahvop), but not for Bittan (daughter of Albert, great granddaughter of Yahvop).
